Three years ago, the like-chambered M3000 replaced the popular M2000. Never again. I happened to see the Stoeger guys at the SHOT show and they sheepishly admitted that their guns come packed pretty well with grease and that their first fix for any reliability problems is to remove the barrel, degrease the action spring and mechanism, and reassemble. Then it started rearing up and jumping. Spring washers are captured by a redesigned forearm, which was a potential malfunction problem on the M2000. ), Optional features: 13-ounce mercury recoil pad, pistol grip and field stock. I suspect a Stoeger shotgun is intended for people who are more concerned about a name than value. Required fields are marked *. Our readers who live in what politicians and media types deem flyover country — specifically the fields of the Midwest — know a different reality. What will come as a surprise, however, is how often deer run away after taking slugs to vital areas. No use for 3″ slugs though. The nice thing about the SBE2 is that the upper receiver is also part of the detachable barrel assembly, so you can mount a scope right the receiver, which is preferable to a cantilever mount. simple to take apart when it needs cleaned. They make do, hunting monster corn-fed deer with a shotgun. The terminal ballistics, though, are something fearsome to behold. The only time I’m going to shoot any more than one or two slugs out of that thing Could you still use your hand after that? I picked mine up (smoothbore) for right about $500 on sale. The Best sub-$1000 Inertia Shotguns. What is the recoil between a semi-auto slug gun and a pump gun? I have only shot two deer with a slug one at 45 yards the other at 85 yards. He chose this gun based mostly on cost. Sure enough, once I did that, my issues disappeared completely letting feeding and extraction resume uninterrupted. And bullet drop out to 200 yards is manageable if you set your zero to something like 125 yards. Keep in mind that I spend most of my hunting season in a light shirt and occasionally a pair of shorts. Drop at Heel: 2-1/2″ The stock drop is user-adjustable. I have recently moved home and acquired a mossy 500 in 12 ga with fully rifled barrel and went 3 shots for 3 deer in last 2 years. Tyler, If you want some bad recoil tryout a stock Rossi single shot 12ga with a 5 round box of Winchester 1oz 2-3/4″ slugs. Normally a long gun review wouldn’t take me the better part of six months to complete. This had me making wild adjustments to the scope before realizing what had happened and having to re-zero. One sight-in session took me 35 slugs due to an extremely lousy boresighting job at the gun shop – both my shoulder and wallet were hurting a bit after that one. Speaking of, there is a HUGE advantage to the Mossberg 500 series by the way: mine came with a special check riser for the butt stock that adds the height you need to get proper cheek weld with a scope on the cantilevered scope mount. Folks spend allot of money and time to go hunting, etc. Synthetic stocks on some shotguns may have fewer square inches of surface area against your shoulder and can seem to kick harder. Toss in a Karsten Riser and you might have yourself a totally workable solution. My thoughts precisely. I believe the 20 gauge Hornady SST sabot slugs shoot a 250 grain, 45 caliber bullet at 1900 fps versus the 12 gauge Hornady SST sabot slugs that shoot a 300 grain, 50 caliber bullet at 2000 fps. Beyond that, the rail is too high above the bore to be functional with the stock drop at comb. Admittedly, I had no desire to fire so many but was thrown off by a couple boxes of #1 buck that got mixed in with my slugs. At that point he dropped, spun around on the ground for about 5 seconds, and never moved again. The receiver comes with a cantilever scope base for scope attachment and my online research indicates that you can find a base that will mount to the receiver to bring the height above the bore down to a more manageable level. Item Number Barrel Length Finish/Stock Overall Length Average Weight MSRP; M3000 Shotgun 12-Gauge 2-3/4" and 3" Adjust your bench setup to permit an upright posture and you’ll notice much less recoil as you body can flex and soak up some of the shock. My wife’s .223 actually does more meat damage than my 12 gauge slugs, at least the deer we’ve dressed. The most general issue was the second lower barrel is devoid of firing, especially after the first shot. The second type is the sabot, and that’s where I found much better luck. Hence the red dot you see in the photos. Typical groupings at 50 yards with an unmagnified red dot were on the order of half that size. It was a thing of beauty, with it’s cheap Bushnell scope, already mounted and bore-sighted. So, yes, slugs are usually devastating to white-tailed deer. Past that, physics catches up with your projectile and it quickly starts to succumb to gravity, negatively affecting accuracy. I would dare say that 20ga makes more sense for a slug gun, anyway. So my cousin loaded another slug to put it down and “click”, he had a DUD! What folks don't particularly love is paying $1700 or more for a very cheap to produce plastic shotgun, even if it supposed to be made of highly polished plastic by old world craftsmen. Be ready to follow up with a finisher. Various people (and Hornady) claim that SST sabot slugs will deliver amazing accuracy well out to 200 yards (more than enough to reliably hit a deer’s vital zone). Round here (Illinois) we call that Minute of Deer. gameking to the vitals works fine and a lot easier to carry then my mossberg 590. It’s not surprising – small and fast rounds tenderize meat at a significant distance from the wound channel because of high velocity induced shockwave, making it weaker; and then they tend to fragment a lot as well. If you are hunting a moose or grizzly bear, then the larger bullet of the 12 gauge sabot is an advantage. Three years ago, the like-chambered M3000 … Check to compare Both the M2000 and M3000 are 12-gauge shotguns with 3-inch chambers. Having never shot an animal with a 385-grain projectile I was curious more than anything about the terminal ballistics. Buy Stoeger Industries parts online now at the official Stoeger Industries Online Store. In another discussion here on TTaG in the last few months, commenters concluded that this recoil level is nearly identical to shooting a 27 pound rifle with the best available muzzle break chambered in .50 BMG. As a 13 year-old with a 12 gauge slug gun I dreamed of a recoil-free world. Since you’re in Texas, put a low red dot on it, like a Burris Fast Fire, and use it for walking up hogs or for close in hogs over a feeder. Buy Stoeger Industries barrels online now at the official Stoeger Industries Online Store. Never fired, cursed at only slightly. Barrel Length: 24” rifled slug barrel with 1:35 rate of twist, matte finish. Ergonomically speaking, the inertia-driven M3000 R slug gun is a bit of a trainwreck. At least it wasn’t a pump. Paint them orange and they’d pass for pumpkins. I recently had the opportunity to spend several months with Stoeger’s contribution to the field, the M3000 R – Rifled Slug . - posted in Semi-Auto [Shotguns]: A buddy of mine bought a Stoeger 3500 to use mainly for skeet and trap. West Texas is about as close as we get, and even Lubbock has some bumps in the ground. What exactly did he think was going to happen? (in stock) 0.0 Shop online now for a wide selection of barrel, bolt handles, pads, plate, stock shim kits and more. I found that my groups get larger and larger the more sabot slugs I shoot. Nothing like a 12 gauge slug gun to teach you not to crawl up on the stock while sighting in. After 6 shots i noticed the pin on the bolt was destroyed. For deer hunting down here in southeast Pennsylvania I use a SBE2 with the factory rifled slug barrel. Stoeger Industries, Inc., a corporation beneath the extensive Beretta Holding S.p.A. umbrella of companies, has imported Turkish-made, semi-automatic shotguns since 2001, when the 3″-chambered, 12-ga. M2000 was introduced. Specifications. Our price: $599.98. I held the shotgun against my shoulder as tight as I could and took the first shot. It was state of the art at the time with it’s monte carlo style stock and fully rifled barrel. 33 Posts . Then he started rearing up on his hind feet and leaping about 8 feet at at time. My 300 BLK takes deer just as well and is a pleasure to plink with! That’s on top of issues incurred by the barrel shifting minutely. It’s not quite the meat destroying blow-up you would expect, but it does put a good solid hole through both sides of even the mountain deer we have around southern Oklahoma. Shotguns, these days are available with diverse specifications and thus provide a great scope for people to choose according to their taste and needs. With a few minor changes that should set you back no more than $100 and an hour of your time, you could have yourself a fairly ergonomic hunting gun capable of taking down pretty much anything in North America that lets you get within a 100 yards or so of it. I’ve taken accurate shots out to 100 yards and never lost an animal. There’s good news though. As someone who has hunted deer with a shotgun for several years, I can attest to the effectiveness of a shotgun slug on whitetails. While I am all in favor of another gun in the safe, I don’t see a great advantage over changing out barrels on and 870 or 500 for well under half the price. There were many stops along the way and I have 6 or 8 different slug launchers gathering dust in the basement safe to prove it. Your email address will not be published. I took it that weekend to test it out and shot #2 duck load to break it in. 20ga Foster slugs just don’t have enough mass behind them for comfort. Hunting in the snow, as I understand it, usually means several layers of down helping to cushion the blow of this mighty hellcat. That being said do not discount the midwest “one rifle man” to put venison in the freezer even if that man’s one rifle is a simple pump shotgun with open sights and a lot of practice behind it…. I’ve never gotten scope bit from my 870 slug gun, but my thumb raked across the bridge of my nose several time when firing at running whitetails. My last range appearance sighting in my M3000 smoothbore 28″ saw me firing 40ish 3″ magnum slugs (no less than 35) to feel comfortable with a 75 yd. Magnum slugs from the Serbu Super Shorty were not pleasant. I wouldn’t expect a defense-focused shotgun to have a crisp light trigger. I dont find the recoil to be much more than my .308. Get a youth model 20 ga. and load it with 3 inch mag bucksshot or slugs. We didn’t have rifled shotguns or sabot slugs back then. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Our price: $649.98. The issue with the M3000R was that shooting this gun was unlike anything else I’ve ever gotten to put my hands on. Out of stock. This is the only gun that has managed to scope-bite me no matter how hard I held its synthetic stock to my shoulder. As a slug hunter for about 30 years this is the best combo I have hunted with. I never knew the limitations of an open sighted shotgun with correctly matched up slugs until I spent a spell out west in WA state hunting big game at true rifle ranges. And my cousin put a nice 12 gauge slug through a buck at 70 yards. As a born-and-bred Texan, I am unfamiliar with places in this fine country devoid of hills, trees, and obstructions. I managed to eek out several sub-three-inch groups which would make this a very deadly weapon when fired at the vital zone of big game at distances nearing 100 yards. I have a well used M3000 that has developed a problem extracting shells. As impressive as the power of a 12 gauge slug gun seems to be, I can tell you that it is certainly no death ray on deer. It’s all in shooting technique- run a pump regularly enough for some time and it will likely work the same for you. The trigger on the M3000 is not particularly heavy, but it does have quite a bit of mush and creep. My research on the topic will have to continue at another date as Stoeger would very much like their semi-auto shotgun back. Just make sure it fits you and you’ll be very happy with it. The above mentioned shotguns are top rated Stoeger choices. The trigger is on par with most shotguns I’ve fired. We had foster type slugs that looked like a minie ball on roids and a round lead musket style ball we called punkin’ balls. Having been – until recent years – a slug gun only hunter in IN I agree with the fully rifled barrel 20 ga w/ sabot slugs as the “deer magic” out to about 200 yards (150 is easy with proper zero but 175-200 yards IS doable if from a tree stand rest and with practice). When funds permit, I really, really want to pick up a Savage 212. I once hit a 1.5 year old buck in both shoulders with a cheap rifled slug at something like 50 yards. Never shot or heard of a Stoeger, which didn't have problems one way or another. The mount just screws on, so it looks like you could flip it around for a scout scope setup. You never notice recoil while hunting anyway. Top #2926268 - 02/04/16 01:27 PM Re: mossberg auto vs stoeger autoloader [ Re: ohihunter2014 ] Needless to say, I removed that extra recoil pad and have never again experienced scope bite to my face. I use mine mainly for 3 gun, but also waterfowl and deer hunting. In 1903 Danish gunsmith Crister SjÖrgren developed a semi-automatic inertia shotgun called "The Normal." not many shotguns have done that for me. First thing i did was take the gun apart and cleaned it. This gun could probably do it for real. I believe that the saboted projectile as actually the same as in a 12. It’s the third version of the Stoeger 3000 series autoloader shotguns. Stoeger barrels for their full line of shotgun models can be found here at MGW. But my 590 works pretty well all the way out to 50-60 yards and I like using cheap slugs… On that gun, you must pin and shim the barrel to the receiver mount to have any accuracy and it still won’t best the barrel mounted scope. There was one that had extraction/ ejection issues from day one, and two that had trigger doubling issues out of the box. I placed the barrel on a sandbag, chambered a round, tucked the recoil pad into my shoulder, looked through the scope, and touched off a round. Buy Stoeger M3000 & M3500 Ejector Factory replacement gun parts, accessories and gunsmithing service on most manufacturers including Browning, Winchester, FN America, Beretta, Benelli Franchi, Stoeger, Remington, Bushmaster, Marlin, Sig Sauer, HK and many more. I took it to the range with a few boxes of magnum sabot slugs, ready to get it all sighted in for the upcoming WI gun deer season. If I had any sense at the time, I would’ve put the money on the slug barrel kit towards a 20 gauge bolt action – that would get the job done as well as a 12 gauge and be easier on the shoulder, too. While that extra recoil pad definitely removed the pain of the recoil, it also enabled the shotgun to attain enough recoil velocity for the scope to bite my eyebrow and cause a small gash that produced a tiny amount of bleeding. Slow rounds, even when they pack a punch due to mass, don’t have that effect – they just drill a large hole. I tested several types of rifled slug ammo and could never get anything better than palm sized groupings at 50 yards. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. I’ve got the pistol grip stock for it, but I actually prefer the traditional stock after a couple hundred rounds comparison. Buy the Stoeger. is if my or someone else’s life depends on it. But don’t count on them to always yield “dead right there” carcasses even with textbook perfect shot placement. Your email address will not be published. If using Foster slugs, stick with the 12. Anyone want several boxes of unused slug ammo? But you have to consider the pros and cons of each one before buying. That is somewhat disappointing. Find 12 gauge and 20 gauge variants in many different lengths and finishes to match your shotgun perfectly. (I have a Swift Optics scope that actually has a reticle lock feature to prevent reticle drift from punishing recoil.) I use 2 3/4″ SSTs as they “group” the best out of the barrel of all the sabot slugs I’ve tested to date, and all the 3″ sabots have been less accurate in my experience. 75 yards was way out there when I started and now 225 means a dead deer if the conditions are ideal. Stoeger M3000 M3K Freedom Series 3-Gun 12 Ga Shotgun with 10-round Tube. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Using them fancy sabot slugs works better. Never once have I scoped myself and the scope is set pretty far back since I’m only 5’8″ and 165. Alot less recoil than the 212 savage with the same accuracy and range. One of my favorite slug guns was a browning bps deer/turkey special, and the remington 870 slug model with a monte carlo style stock is also a good choice. For anyone who plans to acquire their first shotgun for deer hunting, I strongly encourage you to forego the 12 gauge and go with 20 gauge. It is common that this machine has got some major problems and therefore should be given a second thought before opting for it. The muzzle blast was deafening, even with hearing protection, but the stars I was seeing were even worse! As a side note, shooting rifled slugs through a rifled barrel can plug the rifling and cause accuracy issues. This is my third Stoeger (M3000, M3020, and Condor Competition Combo) and I could not be more happy with them all. Cantilever mounts exist to remove the possibility of altered barrel position after cleaning or swapping barrels. It’s stiff with a bit of grit, but it breaks fairly cleanly around five pounds or so. You want a new experience in pain? Anyway first day on the skeet field and the gun wouldnt cycle 2 3/4 rounds. I posted pictures for everybody to see. I have had holes touching each other on a target at 100 yards. I’ve taken about ten and never had any issues with losing deer. sst slugs are the way to go in hunting for whitetails. You don’t want a receiver-mounted rail. My father-in-law used a 20 gauge shotgun and put a perfect heart and double-lung pass through shot on a white-tailed deer. Shop from a wide variety of barrels for your Stoeger shotguns like the M2000, M3000, M3500, M3020, P350, P3000, P3500 and more. The Stoeger’s is no better or worse than most of the others out there, although the trigger shoe itself is fairly small. In general semi-autos exhibit slightly less recoil than their counterparts in pump action. This is very much a utility gun and won’t be impressing your hunting buddies around the campfire with its looks. If I clean the barrel (with brake cleaner if I recall to remove the plastic fouling), the pattern tightens up again. never jams. Notice my choice of word “slightly”. And even shooting only 15 rounds, I will have slight bruising of my shoulder the next day and it WILL be sore. I have a low round count M3500 that I bought new last fall. The Stoeger 3000 is a lot of shotgun for the money, but let's start at the beginning. If you’ve never shot 11 rounds of 12 gauge as fast as you can draw a bead and pull the trigger, you’re missing out. The Ithaca deerslayer is the premier slug gun, and with the right ammo, is a MOA gun. In my case it seems like I only get about 5 shots before the pattern starts to open quickly. As Stoeger didn’t include a front bead, this is definitely a gun designed to use an optic, but doing so effectively isn’t easy. It can handle a 2 ¾-inch load up to a 3-inch magnum load without any adjustments needed. I’ve got a camo 24″ M3000 with a tube extension for 10+1. I only took three shot’s and I was done at two. Once I cleaned the grease out of the action and applied a lightweight oil, things got much better. If you opt to go with a receiver mount instead of the cantilever scope mount, you’ll regret it. ©COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. If this were my gun, a Karsten cheek riser and a receiver-mounted rail would be on order post haste. The gun did not have any cosmetic problems. In terms of terminal ballistics, the difference will not matter out to 200 yards shooting white-tailed deer. Would one of those rubber accordion-pleated ‘boots’ on the scope allow enough offset of the scope to reduce the eyebrow-bite? After firing a round, the bolt moves rearward but the extractor lugs slip off the lip on the base of the shell leaving the spent shell case in the receiver. Reader Poll: Mossberg 500 Beats Remington 870 by a Nose! A 12 ga. H&R single shot. With a receiver-mounted optic, you will have to rezero every time the barrel is removed for cleaning. Case in point: Hornady’s 12 gauge, 300 grain SST slugs exit the barrel at 2,000 feet per second. Where I can easily reach out and touch any deer I see (within reason) at my ranch with my trusty rifle, a semi-automatic gun that shoots a slug puts you more on the level of a archery hunter, and requires a bit more finesse. He had the right idea by using a Micro, though. There’s just something soothing about loading up a tube of slugs and then bracing for the horrible shoulder punishment. m3000 12/28 max-5 28in 12 gauge max 5 camo 4+1rd. Unfortunately, I was never able to get the M3000 in the field for any actual hunting opportunities. Sure Cycle magazine extension tubes normally will not exceed the muzzle of … It is common that this machine has got some major problems and therefore should be given a second thought before opting for it. Ergonomically speaking, the inertia-driven M3000 R slug gun is a bit of a trainwreck. Click to browse all the current parts offered from Stoeger now. Now we can hunt pretty much anywhere with rifles in Wisconsin so my dream has come true. On the reliability front, I managed to induce several failures to feed and eject early on. Just use a ar15 pistol in shotgun only zone in MN. By the way my limit shooting that combination is about 15 rounds. I don’t even live or plan to live in a shotgun-only state; I just love shooting slugs. Choose from our variety of lengths and … We do our best to run guns as they come out of the box and out of the box, the M3000 R wouldn’t reliably feed or cycle. Up next for me is the Stoeger … This beauty is equipped with a ventilated rib, giving the shooter a quick target acquisition. “If I had any sense at the time, I would’ve put the money on the slug barrel kit towards a 20 gauge bolt action – that would get the job done as well as a 12 gauge and be easier on the shoulder, too.”. Videos. Stoeger Industries, Inc., a corporation beneath the extensive Beretta Holding S.p.A. umbrella of companies, has imported Turkish-made, semi-automatic shotguns since 2001, when the 3\"-chambered, 12-ga. M2000 was introduced. Gun Review – Remington Model 870 TAC-14 Hardwood, Gun Review: Benelli M2 Tactical ComforTech, Gun Review: Beretta A400 Xplor Unico with Kick-Off. It broke both arms, going through the very front of the thoracic cavity, and dropped him on the ground like a sack of potatoes … for about 1 second. have both. The M3000 Shotgun is a working gun that gets the job done. I’ve had few DRT shots and lots of runners with many blood trails to follow, even with massive internal damage. What many people like about recoil-operated “inertia” shotguns is the very low maintenance. in the movies… the good guy shoots a bad guy RUNNING toward him and actually blows him backward a few feet. Pumps aren’t even that bad; in one afternoon I can shoot twenty slugs, a substantial quantity of buckshot, and a fair bit of practice birdshot with absolutely no bruising or discomfort.